Last month, President of the World Bank Jim Yong Kim talked with Smithsonian Institution Secretary David Skorton about the benefits of immigration and what developed countries can do to prevent future refugee crises. For Kim, the answer comes in welcoming immigrants, but also providing loans and development opportunities to the world’s poorest countries. The World Bank hopes to end extreme poverty by 2030 with these kinds of initiatives. “It was not possible to equalize outcomes and make people’s lives better,” Kim says, referring to Communist regimes like the Soviet Union. “What we have is equalizing opportunity.”